Stephen Fry, outright LIES about Thomas Moore, and pretty much everything else regarding the Catholic Church in this 20 minute presentation.
The adoring comments by historically illiterate people under the litany of nonsense this deviant spouts is nauseating.
Fry’s historical knowledge doesn’t even rise to Wikipedia level of understanding. And we can hardly assume such an “erudite and intelligent” “man” (excuse me while I laugh out loud) is ignorant of these facts, can we.
So we MUST assume intentional deception.
Fry, at minute 7 and some 20 seconds begins with this outrageous lie:
“…just imagine in this square mile, how many people were burned, for reading the Bible in English. And one of the principal burners and torturers of those who tried to read the Bible in English, here in London, was Thomas Moore.”
and here is the relevant part of the wikipedia entry, which, as I say, is hardly a defender of the Catholic faith.
Controversy on Extent of Prosecution of Heretics
There is considerable variation in opinion on the extent and nature of More’s prosecution of heretics: witness in recent popular media the difference in portrayals of More in A Man for All Seasons and in Wolf Hall. The English establishment initially regarded Protestants (and Anabaptists) as akin to the Lollards and Hussites whose heresies fed their sedition.[note 5] Ambassador to Charles VCuthbert Tunstall called Lutheranism the “foster-child” of the Wycliffite heresy[66] that had underpinned Lollardy.
Thomas More, as lord chancellor [1529-1532], was in effect the first port of call for those arrested in London on suspicion of heresy, and he took the initial decisions about whether to release them, where to imprison them, or to which bishop to send them. He can be connected with police or judicial proceedings against around forty suspected or convicted heretics in the years 1529–33.[note 6]
Torture allegations
Torture was not officially legal in England, except in pre-trial discovery phase[67]: 62 of kinds of extreme cases that the King had allowed, such as seditious heresy. It was regarded as unsafe for evidence, and was not an allowed punishment.
Stories emerged in More’s lifetime regarding persecution of the Protestant “heretics” during his time as Lord Chancellor, and he denied them in detail in his Apologia (1533).
Many stories were later published by the popular sixteenth-century English Protestant historian John Foxe in his polemical Book of Martyrs.Foxe was instrumental in publicizing accusations of torture, alleging that More had often personally used violence or torture while interrogating heretics.[68] Later Protestant authors such as Brian Moynahan and Michael Farris cite Foxe when repeating these allegations.[69] Biographer Peter Ackroyd also lists claims from Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and other post-Reformation sources that More “tied heretics to a tree in his Chelsea garden and whipped them”, that “he watched as ‘newe men’ were put upon the rack in the Tower and tortured until they confessed”, and that “he was personally responsible for the burning of several of the ‘brethren’ in Smithfield.”[20]: 305
Historian John Guy commented that “such charges are unsupported by independent proof.”[note 7] Modern historian Diarmaid MacCulloch finds no evidence that he was directly involved in torture.[note 8]Richard Marius records a similar claim, which tells about James Bainham, and writes that “the story Foxe told of Bainham’s whipping and racking at More’s hands is universally doubted today”.[note 9]
More himself denied these allegations:
Stories of a similar nature were current even in More’s lifetime and he denied them forcefully. He admitted that he did imprison heretics in his house – ‘theyr sure kepynge’ – he called it – but he utterly rejected claims of torture and whipping… ‘as help me God.’[20]: 298–299
More instead claimed in his “Apology” (1533) that he only applied corporal punishment to two “heretics”: a child servant in his household who was caned (the customary punishment for children at that time) for repeating a heresy regarding the Eucharist, and a “feeble-minded” man who was whipped for disrupting the mass by raising women’s skirts over their heads at the moment of consecration, More taking the action to prevent a lynching.[70]: 404
Execution allegations
Burning at the stake was the standard punishment by the English state for obstinate or relapsed, major seditious or proselytizing heresy, and continued to be used by both Catholics and Protestants during the religious upheaval of the following decades.[71] In England, following the Lollard uprisings, heresy had been linked to sedition (see De heretico comburendo and Suppression of Heresy Act 1414.)
Ackroyd states that More zealously “approved of burning”.[20]: 298 Novelist Richard Marius maintained that in office More did everything in his power to bring about the extermination of Protestants.[72]
More took a personal interest in the three London cases:[49]: 105
John Tewkesbury was a London leather seller found guilty by the Bishop of LondonJohn Stokesley[note 10] of harbouring English translated New Testaments; he was sentenced to burning for refusing to recant. More declared: he “burned as there was neuer wretche I wene better worthy.”[74]
Richard Bayfield was found distributing Tyndale’s Bibles, and examined by Bishop Cuthbert Tunstall. More commented that he was “well and worthely burned”.[20]: 305
James Bainham was arrested on a warrant of Thomas More as Lord Chancellor and detained at his gatehouse. He was examined by Bishop John Stokesley, abjured, penalized and freed. He subsequently re-canted, and was re-arrested, tried and executed as a relapsed heretic.
Moynahan alleges that More influenced the eventual execution of William Tyndale in the Duchy of Brabant, as English agents had long pursued Tyndale.[75] This was despite the fact that the execution took place on October 6, 1536, several years after More had resigned as Chancellor and been executed, as well as in a totally different country. A historian has called this “bizarre”.[49]: 93
Go on and read the whole entry, by ALL accounts, Moore was a very fair man, as mentioned, going on to whip a man to save him from a lynching. He was a loving and devoted father and step-father and he promoted the education of women more than anyone else had ever done at the time.
Everything else Fry mentions is very much as with this one historical character assassination based on nothing but outrageous lies and his own deviant nature, rebelling at the fact that Christianity has always known that his specific sexual deviancy, leads to nothing good, since it is, in a very obvious and fundamental level, simply unnatural. The human species would literally die out after 45 years if everyone on Earth decided to become a homosexual. And that’s without even mentioning a litany of other problems that lifestyle creates for both those who practice it, as well as those it is inflicted upon by sexual violence when they are children.
And to be clear, I see homosexuality as an unfortunate deviancy if it is there from birth (which it is in a MINORITY of cases, as evidenced by science done over 30 years ago, which was widely reported at the time even in scientific American and such publications but that has been memory holed since), much like one might be born with six fingers, or without legs.
And a sexual deviancy for those that progressed into it consciously and gradually, and a case of particularly vicious trauma for those that end up there as a result of sexual abuse and/or rape. There are known cases where men who are repeatedly raped for years in jail, who absolutely were not homosexual when they went in, come out and are unable to perform sexually with women any more. But such things are not talked about. And lest Stephen Fry accuse me of wanting to burn homosexuals at the stake, let me be absolutely clear that I personally do not care at all if someone choses to be a homosexual, as long as he doesn’t try to tell everyone, or anyone, else that it is a normal and natural thing to do. It is not. Math is also not racist and men cannot become women or vice-versa. And night follows day and water is wet. I also would like it that those people who chose to stop being homosexual and decide to heal whatever ails them, are allowed to do so without persecution, which, unfortunately, the LGBT lobby does.
And let’s not forget, in case, you are unaware, or assume I am simply “casting wild aspersions” that Stephen Fry has certain “predilections” shall we call them? And as the images below would seem to indicate, has had them for years. He also regularly comes up with rather odd things to say.
Cohen, (above) incidentally, was dumped at age 40 for a 26 year old, when Fry was 54 and supposedly offered Cohen a bunch of money from the sale of a house Fry owned in exchanged for signing an NDA.
Who is Steven Webb, which it is reported Fry introduced as his new partner? he’s the guy in the image below.
And who did Fry get engaged to after Webb?
And they went on to get “married” too.
Make up your own mind, but —unlike his accusations against Thomas Moore, which are completely false— there is certainly nothing untrue about what I have linked to here.
What that says about Fry in the specific, I will leave for the reader to decide. I will however, point out that this is just one point of his 20 minute rant, and the other 19 minutes or so could all be gone into similar level of detail.
This exercise is one worth doing if you care to, because it will once and for all demonstrate to you, the precise way in which people like Fry intentionally and expertly, twist, manipulate and pervert facts, in order to present a totally false narrative. Once you have seen the breath-taking facility with which they lie and misrepresent, obfuscate, and pervert facts, you will become a lot more immune to their lies. Which can only be a healthy thing.
If you want to really delve, deep, I do identify the 11 things that deceivers do in my book, Reclaiming the Catholic Church. They only have those 11 modus operandi, nor is it limited to religious lying, it applies in any context in life where they are trying to gaslight you into some false belief based on lies, and once you have seen each one of those methods, the world will suddenly make a lot more sense.
Once you see things as they really are, it might be a bit grimmer, but you can’t fix anything if you’re not even aware what the problem is. And the main problem in this world is liars and deceivers like Fry, and the people in power who make him look like a good choir boy.
The Complete Deceiver Stephen Fry
Stephen Fry, outright LIES about Thomas Moore, and pretty much everything else regarding the Catholic Church in this 20 minute presentation.
The adoring comments by historically illiterate people under the litany of nonsense this deviant spouts is nauseating.
Fry’s historical knowledge doesn’t even rise to Wikipedia level of understanding. And we can hardly assume such an “erudite and intelligent” “man” (excuse me while I laugh out loud) is ignorant of these facts, can we.
So we MUST assume intentional deception.
Fry, at minute 7 and some 20 seconds begins with this outrageous lie:
“…just imagine in this square mile, how many people were burned, for reading the Bible in English. And one of the principal burners and torturers of those who tried to read the Bible in English, here in London, was Thomas Moore.”
and here is the relevant part of the wikipedia entry, which, as I say, is hardly a defender of the Catholic faith.
Controversy on Extent of Prosecution of Heretics
There is considerable variation in opinion on the extent and nature of More’s prosecution of heretics: witness in recent popular media the difference in portrayals of More in A Man for All Seasons and in Wolf Hall. The English establishment initially regarded Protestants (and Anabaptists) as akin to the Lollards and Hussites whose heresies fed their sedition.[note 5] Ambassador to Charles V Cuthbert Tunstall called Lutheranism the “foster-child” of the Wycliffite heresy[66] that had underpinned Lollardy.
Historian Richard Rex wrote:[49]: 106
Torture allegations
Torture was not officially legal in England, except in pre-trial discovery phase[67]: 62 of kinds of extreme cases that the King had allowed, such as seditious heresy. It was regarded as unsafe for evidence, and was not an allowed punishment.
Stories emerged in More’s lifetime regarding persecution of the Protestant “heretics” during his time as Lord Chancellor, and he denied them in detail in his Apologia (1533).
Many stories were later published by the popular sixteenth-century English Protestant historian John Foxe in his polemical Book of Martyrs. Foxe was instrumental in publicizing accusations of torture, alleging that More had often personally used violence or torture while interrogating heretics.[68] Later Protestant authors such as Brian Moynahan and Michael Farris cite Foxe when repeating these allegations.[69] Biographer Peter Ackroyd also lists claims from Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and other post-Reformation sources that More “tied heretics to a tree in his Chelsea garden and whipped them”, that “he watched as ‘newe men’ were put upon the rack in the Tower and tortured until they confessed”, and that “he was personally responsible for the burning of several of the ‘brethren’ in Smithfield.”[20]: 305
Historian John Guy commented that “such charges are unsupported by independent proof.”[note 7] Modern historian Diarmaid MacCulloch finds no evidence that he was directly involved in torture.[note 8] Richard Marius records a similar claim, which tells about James Bainham, and writes that “the story Foxe told of Bainham’s whipping and racking at More’s hands is universally doubted today”.[note 9]
More himself denied these allegations:
More instead claimed in his “Apology” (1533) that he only applied corporal punishment to two “heretics”: a child servant in his household who was caned (the customary punishment for children at that time) for repeating a heresy regarding the Eucharist, and a “feeble-minded” man who was whipped for disrupting the mass by raising women’s skirts over their heads at the moment of consecration, More taking the action to prevent a lynching.[70]: 404
Execution allegations
Burning at the stake was the standard punishment by the English state for obstinate or relapsed, major seditious or proselytizing heresy, and continued to be used by both Catholics and Protestants during the religious upheaval of the following decades.[71] In England, following the Lollard uprisings, heresy had been linked to sedition (see De heretico comburendo and Suppression of Heresy Act 1414.)
Ackroyd states that More zealously “approved of burning”.[20]: 298 Novelist Richard Marius maintained that in office More did everything in his power to bring about the extermination of Protestants.[72]
During More’s chancellorship, six people were burned at the stake for heresy, the same rate as under Wolsey: they were Thomas Hitton, Thomas Bilney, Richard Bayfield, John Tewkesbury, Thomas Dusgate, and James Bainham.[20]: 299–306 However, the court of the Star Chamber, which More was the presiding judge of, as Lord Chancellor, could not impose the death sentence: it was a kind of appellate supreme court.[73]: 263
More took a personal interest in the three London cases:[49]: 105
Moynahan alleges that More influenced the eventual execution of William Tyndale in the Duchy of Brabant, as English agents had long pursued Tyndale.[75] This was despite the fact that the execution took place on October 6, 1536, several years after More had resigned as Chancellor and been executed, as well as in a totally different country. A historian has called this “bizarre”.[49]: 93
Go on and read the whole entry, by ALL accounts, Moore was a very fair man, as mentioned, going on to whip a man to save him from a lynching. He was a loving and devoted father and step-father and he promoted the education of women more than anyone else had ever done at the time.
Everything else Fry mentions is very much as with this one historical character assassination based on nothing but outrageous lies and his own deviant nature, rebelling at the fact that Christianity has always known that his specific sexual deviancy, leads to nothing good, since it is, in a very obvious and fundamental level, simply unnatural. The human species would literally die out after 45 years if everyone on Earth decided to become a homosexual. And that’s without even mentioning a litany of other problems that lifestyle creates for both those who practice it, as well as those it is inflicted upon by sexual violence when they are children.
And to be clear, I see homosexuality as an unfortunate deviancy if it is there from birth (which it is in a MINORITY of cases, as evidenced by science done over 30 years ago, which was widely reported at the time even in scientific American and such publications but that has been memory holed since), much like one might be born with six fingers, or without legs.
And a sexual deviancy for those that progressed into it consciously and gradually, and a case of particularly vicious trauma for those that end up there as a result of sexual abuse and/or rape. There are known cases where men who are repeatedly raped for years in jail, who absolutely were not homosexual when they went in, come out and are unable to perform sexually with women any more. But such things are not talked about. And lest Stephen Fry accuse me of wanting to burn homosexuals at the stake, let me be absolutely clear that I personally do not care at all if someone choses to be a homosexual, as long as he doesn’t try to tell everyone, or anyone, else that it is a normal and natural thing to do. It is not. Math is also not racist and men cannot become women or vice-versa. And night follows day and water is wet. I also would like it that those people who chose to stop being homosexual and decide to heal whatever ails them, are allowed to do so without persecution, which, unfortunately, the LGBT lobby does.
And let’s not forget, in case, you are unaware, or assume I am simply “casting wild aspersions” that Stephen Fry has certain “predilections” shall we call them? And as the images below would seem to indicate, has had them for years. He also regularly comes up with rather odd things to say.
Cohen, (above) incidentally, was dumped at age 40 for a 26 year old, when Fry was 54 and supposedly offered Cohen a bunch of money from the sale of a house Fry owned in exchanged for signing an NDA.
Who is Steven Webb, which it is reported Fry introduced as his new partner? he’s the guy in the image below.
And who did Fry get engaged to after Webb?
And they went on to get “married” too.
Make up your own mind, but —unlike his accusations against Thomas Moore, which are completely false— there is certainly nothing untrue about what I have linked to here.
What that says about Fry in the specific, I will leave for the reader to decide. I will however, point out that this is just one point of his 20 minute rant, and the other 19 minutes or so could all be gone into similar level of detail.
This exercise is one worth doing if you care to, because it will once and for all demonstrate to you, the precise way in which people like Fry intentionally and expertly, twist, manipulate and pervert facts, in order to present a totally false narrative. Once you have seen the breath-taking facility with which they lie and misrepresent, obfuscate, and pervert facts, you will become a lot more immune to their lies. Which can only be a healthy thing.
If you want to really delve, deep, I do identify the 11 things that deceivers do in my book, Reclaiming the Catholic Church. They only have those 11 modus operandi, nor is it limited to religious lying, it applies in any context in life where they are trying to gaslight you into some false belief based on lies, and once you have seen each one of those methods, the world will suddenly make a lot more sense.
Once you see things as they really are, it might be a bit grimmer, but you can’t fix anything if you’re not even aware what the problem is. And the main problem in this world is liars and deceivers like Fry, and the people in power who make him look like a good choir boy.
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