Tarcisius asks:
Regarding your requests:
I am currently able to legally purchase and own a, to my limited knowledge, vast array of firearms.
As for my current and likely future geographical makeup, I live in a relatively flat, plains-like area surrounded by small mountains. There are a few larger towns on the plains bleeding out into more rural areas in and near the mountains. I am in one of the smaller towns, but about a 10 minute drive away from the woods and potential retreat locations with friends/family/fellow church folk.
With regards to firearms, I intend to use them for hunting and defense. The more adaptable a given firearm is to multiple scenarios, the better. This next bit may be asking a lot, but some type of cost-to-own ranking would be helpful for a given weapon. For example, if you recommended having a shotgun, what is your best recommendation? But also, what is an “okay” alternative if one is strapped for cash because he has a family to support and feed? Additionally, what models or manufacturers should be avoided entirely? I was recently gifted a Winchester SXP shotgun. Is it a good gun to keep?
Do you have any recommendations for gaining weapon familiarity that don’t involve spending money on ammunition and gun range visits?
Thank you, G.
Let’s get the quick parts done first. The Winchester SXP has many variants, but they are all decent. In fact I own a Winchester SXP Defender myself (the pump action one) and I would put it as a top class gun. Are there more expensive ones? Sure, fancier ones? Sure. But a shotgun is a shotgun at the end of the day and a 7+1 pump shotgun is really one of the best guns you can have. you can hunt anything from birds to smallish buck or even boar with it if slugs are permissible in your area. And it’s under $400 so will not break the bank. Plus, a pump shotgun is about the best home defence weapon you can have. Load it with buckshot and the chances of a bad guy surviving a centre mass hit at home defence distances are tiny.
If you can only afford one long gun, after the shotgun you already have I would suggest a RUGER SFAR in .308 with the 20″ barrel.
Why this particular gun?
Here are the bullet-points:
- It is light for the calibre it fires so is an excellent compromise of hard-hitting round yet carry-ability is high even if you have to hike around a while with it.
- Why .308 instead of .223? Because with .308 you can reach out to 1000m with some training and will do 600-800m hits with just some basic marksmanship. There are many other advantages, not least of which is that getting hit by a .308 spoils your whole day a lot worse, comparatively than a .223, all else being equal.
- Ruger rifles perform incredibly well out of the box. Although my own rifle is not a SFAR, it does 1/2 MOA out the box (if you don’t know what MOA is don’t stress, you can study that up at leisure).
- For the price (around 1500 $ or less I believe) it is the best compromise of a long range gun that can also be used up close if needed. it is semi-auto so can be fast, and .308 are basically 7.62 NATO rounds so cheap and available everywhere.
- Why 20″ barrel instead of 16″ because it makes a difference for long distance shots and if you live in a plains type set-up 1000m is really a minimum in case of having to defend an area.
- Shove some decent PASSIVE only scope on it. If you can still find them, Leupold used to make awesome mil-dot scopes with starlight ability, you can illuminate your reticle by shining a light into it and you will see the main posts inside the reticle without giving away your position to special night vision equipment (though the rest of you probably will if you are not shielded in some way). You don’t need huge levels of magnification, in fact, a variable scope say 4x to 15x or something like that is probably ideal on that type of rifle. You can go for more, say 6x to 20x or whatever, but your field of view at that higher magnification is very reduced.
- Get some training on it and range it out to 500m and get to know how much of a hold you need to have for different distances and practice, practice, practice. If you shoot a thousand rounds after having been properly trained and having understood the basics, you will already be able to score reliable one shot hits at 500m without problems. If you are talented, out to further.
So that is what I would recommend on a budget. The SFAR with decent glass will be your biggest expense but it will be your everything gun and you can hunt anything in the USA with a .308.
if you are concerned about self-defence then you should also get a handgun and carry it on you (obviously with all relevant permits) and train pretty obsessively with it. The amount and variety of handguns available is almost infinite so get thee to a range and practice, practice, practice with LOTS of different guns until you find one you like and that works for you.
Ultimately every other consideration after:
- Having it on you, and
- Being comfortable and accurate with it
is a distant second consideration, including calibre and everything else.
Some reliable polymer thing in 9mm is probably the most common and versatile type of handgun, although, personally, I can’t bring myself to say Glock without throwing up in my mouth a little, but that’s down to personal preference.
If on the other hand money were no object, on a plains type of landscape I personally would prefer a .338 Lapua. I would get it in the Ruger Precision Rifle format. HOWEVER, that is because I KNOW that with a .338 Lapua and some practice I can reach out to 2000m fairly reliably. and I can make anything up to 1400m fairly easy to kill on first shot and pretty much anything within 1000m is screwed. BUT The Ruger RPR is a HEAVY rifle and once you add decent optics on it (for a .338 Lapua you want the big magnification, at least x20 but even x30 or more is not a bad idea) sling, bipod and so on, you’re not going to be running around with it easily, especially if you have a decent load of ammo with it (say 100 rounds minimum in a SHTF scenario).
And .338 Lapua ammo is NOT cheap and not that easy to find either. So this kind of rifle is really a hunting rifle that in a SHTF scenario becomes a very plausible and dangerous sniper weapon in the right hands.
An alternative is .300 Winchester Magnum instead of .338 Lapua which you can still do 1000m shots a lot easier and more reliably than using a .308 and can reach out to 1400-1500 m if you train and get it right.
Even then, assuming a .338 Lapua was no objection, I would still have the SFAR in .308, because even as a sniper buddy team, the SFAR is a decent rifle and far more likely to be in your hands in any given day, since the .338 Lapua begins to approach crew-served weapon size/weight/usability.
I hope that covers your most pressing questions.
One thing I cannot emphasise enough is:
GET PROPER TRAINING FOR LONG DISTANCE SHOOTING
and practice as much as you can.
I tend to use only match ammo and don’t bother reloading because I don’t have the time to devote to it, but if you have the time and reload you can save some money. With match ammo in .300 WM you can comfortably hit at 1000m reliably if you practice regularly. doing it in .308 requires a level up in terms of proficiency.
If you have any further questions or clarifications please post a comment on this post and I will reply to it.
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Thinking like a Paranoid Person
I have written various posts on guns, (use the search me function) and discussed why ultimately in a real life situation, (with handguns) a LOT of the discussions about calibre, specific gun etc are, at best a kind of salad dressing.
The recent post I did for Tarcisius on what guns to get for a guy starting out made me consider a bit more in general terms the important points about personal safety and so on.
I have a tendency to skip over what to me are the obvious aspects of a thing, because I tend to assume most people will already know this. The last 4 years have demonstrated that most people are, regardless of their personal ethics, comparatively, a bunch of morons, and in fact a lot less capable and intellectually aware than even I, in my most misanthropic levels of disgust at humanity in general, could have conceived.
So, while thinking what is the baseline advice, I tried to look at the most obvious aspects of it and then tried to think how do I transmit something that for me is not even second nature, but first nature, to the average guy who has had a completely different life?
I can’t be sure, but here it goes.
The smartest, more certain thing you can do in terms of personal safety is to be situationally aware at every level of resolution.
So what I mean by that is that if you decide to go on holiday in Gaza right now, you are screwing up at the global/big picture level. If you decide to walk through a favela with a Rolex on your wrist, you are screwing up at the individual level.
For the average person, thinking as happens naturally for me, is, I am told, akin to being a psychopathic paranoid person who jumps at shadows.
While this might be the perception for the average person, I assure you it is wrong. I am not stressed by my way of seeing things. In fact, when I have been involved in dangerous, violent situations, my natural approach to it has been such that my heart rate did not change and that invariably helps make the best of the situation.
While I notice everything and I take note of the possible potential threats even while I am in the supermarket doing a weekly shop, whether alone or with my wife and kids, I am not in a state of alert. I am merely observing and noting. As I would note where the milk is and when they move the location, as they do from time to time, I note that too. And when two giant Africans talking loud, fit, and thirty years my juniors appear in the isle I am in with my teenage daughter, I automatically consider how I would take care of them if I need to. And because of my peculiar psychological makeup, and at my current level of physical fitness (which is still far from ideal) there is no requirement for me to avoid being in that isle.
A wiser man, might avoid that isle, because my natural reaction if I have to suddenly protect one of my children tends to be of the “consequences to me will/may/do happen after THESE consequences to them, so, no worries.” Which, I am the first to admit is not necessarily wise, but it is a conscious choice and how I decide to live.
The point of paying attention should be two or three times more important if you are NOT armed. If you are licensed to carry, your primary concern should be your personal weapon being retained and concealed if not in actual use. Your training in drawing and firing from concealed, with complete awareness of your backstop, should basically be the air you breathe. When I carried all the time, and coming across a bunch of potentially feral thugs, I used to cross the street if I had to, not to avoid them, but because from that angle they had solid brick walls behind them.
If I had to go through them or near them I would again angle myself to give myself the best opportunity, which generally would be to fall into a crouch, back to a wall and fire at an upward angle in very rapid succession. the bullets would fly roughly up at an angle and hopefully fall outside of general city limits or land on a roof and not some unlucky guy’s head. And I could stand to avoid a few kicks and stomps, because I trained regularly in such type of scenarios and could pretty much empty my revolver while firing it close enough to my own body I might get stippling from it but the other guy would get that plus the .357 magnum round with it.
Anyway, the point is that such thoughts, such training, such movements and practice with drawing and firing were things I did daily. And my thoughts would flow accordingly. At least on a couple or three occasions, this level of awareness certainly saved if not my life that of possibly others and certainly prevented a firefight from actually taking place thanks to the fact that I was ahead of the game of the other guy/s.
It gets a little tiring to keep telling my daughters things, like don’t walk on that side of the pavement, it’s closer to where cars drive past, notice x, y or z, because generally, women, are oblivious to their surroundings, and my daughters, though I hope to correct that over time, are still women at the end of the day, and with a few notable exceptions, everything reverts to the mean. My son, is already well-versed naturally and he pays attention to what I say in the long term too, so I am not concerned about him. and of course, everyone can have a lapse of attention, but generally speaking, if you pay attention to the world around you, you will first of all exercise a brain muscle almost no one else does today, giving you an automatic advantage and secondly, you will begin to notice all sorts of things about people, your surroundings and so on, and it actually makes your life more alive and interesting. Thirdly, it absolutely increases your chances of being in the right place at the right time, or conversely, of not being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Developing this skill is, without a doubt, at least ten times, minimum, more important than how fast or how accurate you can draw and fire from concealed. At minimum ten times. Minimum, I am not exaggerating. That is a minimum number. Got it? Minimum.
so, I would say, before getting all caught up in whether you should have fancy gun number 1 or number 73, and special grips X or Y, and super red dot bingo-laser or pink-dot-matrix, or whatever, learnt o read a room. A street. A parking lot. An underground garage. Your front door when you get home tired from work, and so on and so forth.
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By G | 5 January 2024 | Posted in Guns, Martial Arts, Social Commentary