Vox has made several posts ovr the years, and more recently, concerning how the malaise of this world is now, more obviously than ever before in our lifetimes, due to spiritual evil, which determines material evil, which in turns determines the practical and day-to-day evil we confront in various degrees and levels of intensity.
His last point on this was particularly interesting as it captured in one image, exactly how this system works, as well as the reality that it is a most ancient knowledge, that people from all cultures across the Earth, from different times and geographical locations, all understood in one way or another. I re-present the image he put up at his blog here, though I encourage you to read the whole thing there.
For the purposes of this post, it is assumed that the reader not only accepts, but also understands that this is in fact the reality of the situation. If you do, you may want to skip directly to the heading OK, but Why Catholicism? further below. Although I suspect the writing between here and there is probably useful for most readers.
If you still think that the Universe happened by chance, that spiritual entities of great power of both good and evil, do not exist, that there is no God, and so on, then this post is probably beyond your ability to draw anything good from it.
If, however, you accept that this is generally the situation, then as any reasonable person would think, it makes sense for you to know how to best protect yourself from this situation, as well as how to counter it. Depending on your psychological, spiritual, and even material situation, you may also lean more towards one or the other of these two aspects. Most people,, will lean heavily towards the finding the way to be protected or shielded from the worst of the evil that is directed at humanity in general and each one of us in particular. Only a few will lean more towards the replying in kind, and causing damage to the ranks of the spiritual enemies, yes, the material and Earthly ones, but even more importantly, their masters behind them, which means, ultimately, attacking the spiritual entities that are the real originators of the evil that men do.
Given the above premises, summarised here below:
- That we exist in a Universe where, spiritual evil is the originator of material evil, as per the diagram above.
- A loving and just God, who, because the love is real, allows free will, necessarily has to permit evil to exist, yet, being loving, also allow for two very important points to exist as well:
- A way to achieve ultimate salvation from this evil even if we might not escape it here in the material world, and
- Restitution/Justice for the evil we suffer AND the evil we do ourselves.
- Which necessarily must mean that while the Restitution/Justice can take many, many forms, both here in the material, as well as in the afterlife, or in the presently spiritual world, the route to salvation should be available to all who choose to take it and everyone should have the opportunity and/or ability to find/seek/take this salavation.
- Understanding the above, we then can realise that the option of sitting on the sidelines, was never a real option, and in the present day, the fact that ultimately we only have a choice to either side with the evil or with the good has become far more obvious.
Now, aside form tall the fedora wearers, there are huge majority of people who would describe themselves as some kind of believer, that will still take great exception to the above summarised model of reality. It is a little tedious, but in the interest of wanting to do my best to bridge the IQ gap, I will list here below a few of the obvious “objections” such people may have and give a brief explanation of why that objection is nonsense. These are bullet-point style levels of data, (to try and keep this post under novella size), so if you have a particularly strong objection to some of these, I encourage you to begin your research using my shorthand notes as your starting point, and dig there, instead of to try and support your erroneous a priori “conclusion”.
The Objections
1. If God were really Good and Loving…Shhh. Free Will. Learn the consequences of it and learn why it is an absolute axiom of a Loving God. As is Justice. For True Love cannot exist without free will and justice. I explained this in BELIEVE! in more detail.
2. Not EVERYONE has knowledge of your legalistic explanation for Salvation! True, but everyone has the possibility of Salvation, by those very same “legalistic” (aka true and so absolute) rules. Yes they do. In one of several ways:
- Direct access to the Gospels, The Bible, Catholic Tradition and Dogma, studied, researched and acted upon.
- Indirect access to it, which leads to direct access to it through actual study, seeking of the origin, truth and reality of the situation
- God’s Mercy for Invincible Ignorance.
- God’s Mercy by simply observing the natural world objectively and as it is and as a result following one’s pure and good conscience (this is admittedly a very hard route given we are all born with sin).
- God’s Mercy allowing any one of us to be eventually saved by purification in Purgatory to remove any/all stains from our souls before entering the Beatific Vision in His Presence.
- God’s Mercy ensuring that no one is condemned other than by their own free will choice of which path they choose.
3. What about all the people that died BEFORE Jesus. He literally went down to Hell and saved the ones that deserved it from it (hence also yet another clear evidence of Purgatory being a thing, as if the relevant Bible verses were not enough).
4. But… The Catholic Church is a hive of pedophiles, liars and con-men. No. The Impostor Church PRETENDING to be the Catholic Church is, and worse than that too. The only Catholics left are Sedevacantist Catholics. As explained very briefly in BELIEVE! and rather thoroughly in Reclaiming the Catholic Church.
5. But… If Catholicism was the Way, it would not have been infiltrated and reduced in glory to a mere remnant! Really? Do you read your Bible at all? This is PRECISELY what we have been told will happen. Are you honestly unaware that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions, AND is wide, and well-travelled? But the road to Salvation is hard and narrow? Why do you think we are told that, yet you think you’re perfectly fine skipping along on a road followed by the great masses of “christians” that are in reality just Churchians, and are merely paying lip service to their “christianity”? And do so in whatever really sincere format they prefer, that gives them the most internal sense that yeah, I’m one of the good guys. But in reality, if faced with a gun to their head and the option of dying so as not to denounce Jesus as Lord would fold, there and then?
6. You’re just a zealot trying to brainwash people to your cult! I honestly am doing what I can to present the truth before you so you will hopefully see it and choose well. I do this because it is my duty as a Catholic. Personally, if God allowed me to be exempt from this and I could simply sit in my little life, write my books, (on plenty of other topics that interest me) play with my kids and enjoy my days with my wife, I’d be perfectly happy to never utter a word about Catholicism again. The fact is though, that THE TRUTH, yes all in caps, is the most important thing for people to know. And that cannot avoid Catholicism. It is true that Catholics (and non Catholics too) have become very good friends and have and continue to help me in many small and large ways. But, firstly, I always had such friends in my life, and secondly, I believe I give back to others as much as has been given to me, and if I can, more. In any case, I try to ensure whatever exchange happens is based on genuine friendship. I have absolutely no wish to lead a bunch of people, however, I know from past experience that at times such duties are thrust upon people like me. And if I need to lead an army of Catholic Zealots, well… so be it. My personal “profit” from such a venture, if it ever comes to it, will never be anything that I would trade my personal free time and freedom for, if I had any decent alternatives to avoid it. But… if you believe in truth, if it means something to you beyond your own personal happiness, freedom, or comfort, then, you cannot help but take up that mantle sometimes. And personally, I would really rather it is someone else, but since so far, all the supposed “Catholics” turn out to be grifters like Emo Jones, Milo, Tay-Tay Marshall, Michelle Voris and so on, I guess I have to keep telling you the truth. And if you think I am trying to create a cult of personality as a result of The Kurganate, well, you go on believing whatever you want sunshine, and feel free to depart from me and my writings.
7. Any Other Objections. Feel free to put them in a comment, but read the rules of commenting here first so as not to get spammed forever if you violate them.
OK, but why Catholicism?
Even if the objections have been answered and even if you are intellectually grasping the point, I understand that there is an emotional, instinctive component that can (and usually does) hold one back from saying something as absolutist as: “Yeah, ok, I get it! Catholicism it is. Baptism, here I come, and Holy Mass with Sede Priests only and no divorce, ever, np contraception, and make as many children as possible and let God take care of all my problems!”
Especially given that you have marinated literally ALL your life in a world of lies and fake religion from literally birth.
The path to truth has been so over-filled with lies, false prophets, nonsense, scams, con-men of every stripe and each has and does take a toll on you, spiritually, emotionally, intellectually and physically.
People have given away their time, resources and opportunities to false people, false beliefs, false idols if you prefer. So why and how, should this “Catholicism”, which is supposedly being represented by an obvious pedophile protector in the form of a fake Pope, who literally has performed demon-worshipping rituals in the Vatican (Pachamama) be the One True Way?
Well, the answer, is surprisingly simple… sort of. I mean, you would have to know quite a lot of history and how things actually were and what actually happened. Which is best done by referring to first-hand accounts of things written not necessarily by the big players of the time, but the mere chroniclers of events, be they simple peasants, or soldiers.
If you do this, with respect to christianity, it becomes relatively obvious, and relatively quickly (a year’s worth of study in such matters generally suffices) that several rather astonishing points are true, despite being absolutely counter-intuitive and counter-to all you have been taught. Here, in summary note form they are. And I encourage you to look every one of them up.
- 11 scared men and 4 women went from being terrified of being crucified for their having followed Jesus, to 10 of them at least being martyred in His name.
- Even more astonishingly, they went on to create the start of the largest and longest lasting, continuous Human organisation (call it empire, call it, religion, call it what you will) that has ever existed on this Planet. The Catholic Church has existed, Popes and all (including absence of valid Popes too) for literally almost two millennia.
- From a tiny flame in the Middle East, the very centre of this religion became the world’s then most powerful city which was a persecutor and absolute enemy of it. Rome. The Navel of the World.
- Despite gnostics, impostors, heretics, occultists, of all kinds, the church managed to survive and re-emerge from its supposed “ashes” (supposed because it was never fully vanquished) to become only stronger after every attack. Our present day times might be compared to the Arian heresy, which saw almost every single Bishop buying into it, only to have that monstrous lie, fully reversed, against all odds. This situation, of the Church prevailing under the most unlikely situations recurs many, many, many, times throughout history.
- In practical terms, the incredible achievements made by the crusaders, when fighting in ratios of being outnumbered in over 100:1, are also a reflection of this.
- Catholicism was literally responsible for incredible advancements in both social and scientific terms, to name merely a few points:
- The use/invention of the Scientific Method.
- The raising of the value of women and children from essentially property to cherished mothers and wives, and the progeny of the future.
- The principles of meekness (controlling one’s power in mercy and charity until it is sinful to avoid action as required, in which case, however forceful a response as is required is acceptable).
- The essential eventual abolition of slavery.
- The principle of Justice, fairness in all things and the equality under the law of all men.
- The recognition that ordered and safe societies require a hierarchical structure.
- The abolition of divorce and contraception, thus returning sexual relations between men and women to the natural order of procreation being the primary objective, avoiding all manner of perversion and degeneracy that flows from sterile coupling for mere entertainment and pure hedonistic pleasure, as such trends degrade society as a whole as is now abundunatly obvious to anyone not in full immersion and the clutches of such behaviour.
- The greatest advancement in beauty in architecture, painting, sculpting, and the arts in general that the human race has ever seen. A level of mastery of artistic expression to elevate and inspire the human need for beauty and spiritual enlightenment that has yet to be duplicated.
- A level of belief in mercy, forgiveness, truth, sacrifice and family that created the greatest civilisation/s on Earth. The Western world was literally created by Catholicism in its multiple and myriad ways. A man would be ostracised if not beaten within an inch of his life for blasphemy. Ferocious warriors tempered their undeniable ability in war by bending their knee in service to God and the principles of mercy, compassion, honour, courage, beauty and peace.
In short, Catholicism, has not only stood the test of time, but if you merely scratch the surface of reality, you will see it has undeniably created the best ways of living on Earth that this planet has ever seen. that literally no other religion, no matter how “christian” they profess to be, has come even remotely close, be it the “Orthodox” with their insular ways, or the Protestants with their hydra-like spouting 40,000 heads and TV evangelists.
If you can grasp a real sense of history, if you take the time to look at it, from a bird’s eye view, you cannot escape the very simple reality that:
In a world under the dominion of the Prince of Evil Spirits, the only religion that has created a flourishing human happiness, complete with safe villages, happy wives and happy children —cared for by modest men who nevertheless were absolutely capable and willing of being warriors as and when required, without hesitation— has been Catholicism.
In short, it is literally the one tried and true method, that has stood the test of time, when considering how to fight against evil, be it material or spiritual.
As a consequence, it is the reason that I myself became a Catholic, and the reason why I push it as hard as I can to anyone that will listen, without trying to force it down anyone’s throat. You can read my views here. You can buy my books if you want to. And if you come to my home, and you ask me or you want to, we will and can talk about all this stuff and Catholicism in particular, in as excruciating a detail as you want, as long as your baseline level of understanding at least approaches the minimum requirement, and that is, I admit, a shifting line, because while I was fine arguing with retarded protestants who think Catholics “worship Mary” or “banned the Bible” or a hundred other outright lies about Catholicism, and willing to do so to the tune of 800 comment long threads, that ship has sailed. You should at the very least be if not conversant, at least curious about the baseline principles of Catholicism versus the other fake “Christianities” on some level. But in any case, short of you asking me, even if you are sitting at my dining room table, I am not going to force my Catholicism upon you. By the same token, I will also not keep quiet if you begin to speak some utter nonsense. Be it the flat Earth, or how trans women are “real” women, or how the Sun really rises in the West.
But why do I assume that the details, that the rules, that the rituals of Catholicism are so important? Simple. Because they are. Because they literally ARE what created the Western World in all its good aspects. And the things of it that are its worst aspects are all, without exception, running COUNTER to Catholicism.
That’s pretty strong evidence.
It’s also the major failing of the strategist, be it in war or in economics, or really any human endeavour dealing with large-scale human behaviours.
The strategist dismisses to some degree or other, the importance of tactics and the small-team or even individual actions that can, and do, have a butterfly effect. While many of these are absolutely unpredictable, the most successful endeavours are those where the strategist is very much aware of the importance of the tactics.
Large scale, bird’s eye view of things tend to imagine that humans will act somewhat rationally, or at least somewhat selfishly, and thus be “manageable”. It is an almost total lie. The human monkeys are about as rational as a macaque on crack. And the evil ones understand this to a very high degree, that the “good guys” seem mostly oblivious to.
Why do you think the whole covid farce, and the upcoming climate change farce, and all the other farces went so well for the evil puppets being puppeteer by their spiritual leaders? Because they lay the groundwork tactically. They spent decades brainwashing you into a mental sludge of laziness, comfort and crappy food. They spent decades making you afraid of your own shadow. And they co-ordinated patently and trained the foot soldiers in academia, in churches, in government offices. they trained and trained and trained them relentlessly to be the cogs that operate exactly in this and that way in the machine. And they kept adjusting and correcting so as to make the natural human impulse for freedom die a small death every day in a million ways. And only after 70 or 80 years of this absolutely intentional, absolutely precise training, dedication and effort to the Satanic ideas, did they launch their main assault. And Covid was just the first of them. Next they will squeeze and squeeze and squeeze, until the resistance is crushed, demoralised and poor. And only then they will launch another crisis. And that crisis may even take the mask of a “salvation” of sorts. Why, of course we will give every one of you your own, free universal income. Sure it’s not enough to actually make you survive in any kind of dignity, but it’s a big help! Right? And it’s free! here, take it. And then they will gradually shrink away the other options even more and restrict what you can and can’t do with that “free” income once you are hooked on it. Just like a pimp and drug dealer.
And what reserve of mental, emotional, and spiritual strength, do you have left in you?
Especially as a secular humanist that doesn’t believe in a True, Good, Loving and Just God? Because your own pain surely hampers your ability to even imagine such a God. The dystopian reality you are in prevents you from even considering such a God. And that is exactly the plan. Once you have zero ability, willingness or interest in even looking for the Catholic God, that is, the true one, then they have won. And they don’t mind at all if you believe in a fake one. In a rainbow painted one that says pedophelia is just another sexual orientation. Or any number of false “gods”.
What chance does a secular man have of resisting the current onslaught? I would say close to none. I think of myself before becoming Catholic and how would I face the current world, and while I would never have bent to it, it most likely would have broken me. And I never felt that level of pressure even at my worst times. It would have broken me because without God, the entire thing really is absolutely insane. Without God, and only a materialistic view of things, nothing, not greed, not money, nor earthly power, can explain what has and what is and what will be happening.
It is literally the experience of living in a mental asylum with literal mass murderers running the show and no way out at all. Nor does it explain at all why things are this way or why they would be. There is literally no reasoned explanation that makes any kind of sense.
And that leads one to actual insanity. Both in terms of how the world is, and ultimately, how you will become, because no sane person can exist in a mental asylum with no way out and also not eventually lose their mind or kill themselves to escape it.
And that… again… is precisely the plan they have for you.
IF, on the other hand, you consider the Catholic God, and The Catholic Church, the real one, that is, the sedevacantist one, as it is the only Catholicism left, and you study it, you begin to notice three or four things, of absolutely extreme importance:
- The evil of the world and its madness suddenly makes sense. Everything fits and you now understand why things are as they are, and why the seeming insanity is actually very well-reasoned out behaviours. They seem illogical because they are so evil, and ultimately, yes, illogical too, because choosing evil over good in a Universe owned by a Loving God, is going to be a losing proposition anyway. But aside from that fundamental error, the in-between state, between the current day and judgement day, makes sense from the evil beings’ perspective.
- Because it makes so much more sense it doesn’t hurt or touch you nearly as much. An evil understood is an evil you can largely prevent or at least prepare against.
- Inspiration and hope arise. Even if you are broken, single and lost, if you become aware of the true existence of God, and commit to it, properly, in the true seeking of Him, then miracles will eventually begin to happen in your life. I know because they did in mine and in everyone who has truly committed that way.
- Purpose arises. Whether it is to bring the church back to its former glory, whether it is to get married and start a family, or whether it is to simply resist the evil and add to the good, you will find a new and better way to fill your days and hours, and months, and years. And over time, you will build foundations that are unshakable and your effect in the world will become a source of spreading light, love and goodness. And this seemingly small, inexorable change, will continue to grow and spread in ways you can’t even imagine and touch a much larger number of people than you can possibly imagine.
None of these things arise or come to be with a “mere christianity” type of C.S. Lewis, British style, wishy-washy-ness. You need good, solid, Chestertonian hardcore Catholicism in your face like a shouting sergeant, followed by a sharp kick in your backside, a shot of espresso and a GLORIOUS MORNING that makes the expected 50 mile hike with full kit to rush the enemy a rare moment of living joy! And not because you’re some poor Ukrainian bastard hopped up on meth laced with moly, but because it’s real.
If you think a generic, “non-denominational” (which really means without rules) “Christianity” will save the west, or even just you, you are sorely mistaken. You really need to think a little better and a little harder. You really think if a Loving God exists that He doesn’t have very clear and specific rules? And you think that that set of rules is the same one that applies even to demons, and only that (Jesus is King)? Come on. Wake up.
And why do you think we would need rules? I mean… have you even looked at humanity? Have you seen what they get up to when there are no rules for them to follow and no one to enforce them? Because if you have not seen it yet, then you are not reading this; as obviously you live on a remote mountain, sealed off from all digital information and other human beings.
Humans need rules. The question is only which rules are best. And we have 2000 years of history that tells us without any equivocation or doubt, that those who follow the actual rules of Catholicism (not the presented ones, not the ones impostors tell you are the rules, not the fake ones given by fake clergy or fake or ignorant laymen, but the actual ones, codified in the Pio-Benedictine Codes of Canon Law of 1917. Which are all based on Biblical and Catholic Tradition and dogma, and have remained unchanged from the beginning (The divine rules. The worldly rules can and do change as required to manage the church structure).
So it’s up to you, ultimately, as Catholicism teaches, no one can or should ever be forced to convert. It must be chosen. But I would say that the evidence that Catholicism creates the best situations possible for human beings is overwhelming and lasting, and continues to be true today.
So I hope you’ll join us.
To counter the degeneracy of John Lennon’s imagine.
Because, think: The Church was finally almost fully collapsed and thoroughly infiltrated by 28th October 1958, when the first of the current fake Popes sat on Peter’s throne.
And by 1969, a mere decade and a few days later, the boomer generation had been released on the world with their “free love” faked Moon Landing, the Beatles, and a completely ego-driven belief that only they mattered and only they knew how to enjoy life and nothing else mattered. Degeneracy on every level began to pour out into people’s lives via television to a degree and on a level never before experienced. Ancient customs and traditions of honour, courage, and virtue were replaced by “new” actions of greed, deception, and narcissistic egoism. Do you really think it is a coincidence?
If you have read this far, you have at least demonstrated the ability to read relatively long passages, which is a very positive thing. it means you have the baseline ability to at least educate yourself about history and the various topics I mention above. If you want to save yourself a lot of time, you may want to read some or even all of my books, which summarise the things I learned in each topic over a period of about 20 years per subject, roughly speaking (concurrently to some degree in all cases not sequentially). But it’s not a requirement. You can, and should, do your own research. I just happen to have travelled that road before and probably longer and deeper than most people ever would, so I wanted to share what I learnt. But you can certainly find your own way without nay more prompting from me than possibly this blog post.
May God guide your path, friend. And may you become a Catholic soon. There are many more of us than you imagine, and more coming every day, we’ll be here when you decide to get stop swimming, lost, or hanging to the side of our ancient, damaged, but still and always viable ship, and instead decide to climb abroad, and join us in sailing over this sometimes dangerous and treacherous ocean, but always in the Glory of God and the Light of Truth.
Oh No! Kurgan vs Vox Day Theology!
I know there are now going to be heads exploding in various gamma hives around the internet as they hope and pray to their slithering nether-gods for a major rift between myself and Vox.
While I am sure nothing of the sort is or will be the case. In fact, many moons ago, I asked Vox if he would be willing to have a friendly discussion/debate on Catholicism vs Protestantism, or to be more precise, my Sedevacantist Catholicism and his specific brand of Protestantism which I believe hinges on the original Nicene creed.
Even back then, somewhat to my surprise, he said he wasn’t against it in principle, but the time required for it (and I suspect utility of it) was not really worth it. Which, in general I agreed with.
That all said, my brain can’t help but want to continue down paths that in my view are likely to increase my understanding of reality. Christianity, is one of those paths that is essentially endless in this regard, so, like say learning to paint, or make music, is a lifelong continuous investigation.
With such endeavours, after a time, there comes a point where your understanding or skill in the topic is good enough to outdo the common men and women in the field and then even the well-known ones. In short, it becomes difficult to find other minds against which you can confront yourself in order to learn more of the topic that interests you. And when you do find one, naturally, at least for me, you’d like to investigate it and push and prod at it and test your theories and ideas and baselines against.
Well, Vox has such a mind. I also consider him a friend and few things in life are as enjoyable to me as philosophical conversation of some substance with a friend. Preferably over a good wine and light meal, or with decent cognac after a good dinner. Alas, distance and circumstance prevents such discourse in the customary civilised fashion I just described. So I find myself limited to this rather barbaric format. Blog to blog. Well, perhaps we might do a livestream on it one day, but be as it may, I will now simply dive into the post Vox put up which prompted this one for me: This is it.
As baseline axioms I think I have the following, which are:
Given the above premises/axioms, I will then look at the above linked post critically. And consider that I am absolutely in no way defending the Boomertastic Doug Wilson. I read a couple of his post years ago, before I was even a Christian and the illogic and hypocrisy prevalent in Protestantism made me conclude he’s an idiot and not worth listening to at all.
Vox concluded that Doug Wilson is a gatekeeper but still keeps tabs on him clearly, which is understandable, as I keep tabs on other gatekeepers like Milo and EM Jones and Taylor Marshall and so on. But perhaps does not condemn him as thoroughly as I do, and perhaps, in general he might not condemn the gatekeepers as thoroughly as I do. I may be wrong, but I suspect he is more forgiving than I am on such matters.
Anyway, to examine the post in more detail:
I will first note that this is precisely the same defense that is regularly offered up on behalf of other gatekeepers like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, and also of books like the Harry Potter series. Don’t criticize the obvious errors and the demonstrable falsehoods when they are otherwise doing so much good? Don’t you understand that if they tell the truth instead of lying, they won’t be able to reach as many of those who need the truth? Isn’t it better that they read godless tales of evil being portrayed as good than not read at all?
And the answer is no. This is a false, pernicious, and fundamentally short-sighted perspective. It is less a defense than an attempt to negotiate a guilty plea in exchange for a lesser penalty.
And so far we are in absolute agreement. For example, the Catholic Church teaches that it is better to leave aborigines in jungles alone and not instruct them at all than to instruct them with Protestantism. Because as per Church doctrine, a savage that has never heard of Christ might yet enter heaven judged by God on the merits of his own conscience, but one that has taken on a perverse version of Christianity is far less likely to escape the mortal sins of pride and in essence, choosing “me and my way” over “God and His ways”. I have always had the same idea. I met some of the last Khoi San that were free of any influence from so-called civilised men, and I found them to be honest, reliable, friendly, and just. Their society might be very primitive, but within the confines of that limitation they were essentially innocent and good people. Take a couple of generations of essentially Protestant “education” and a previously scrupulously honest primitive people become dishonest, haphazard, unpredictable and liable to suffer from everything to alcoholism to being criminals.
Let me be perfectly clear: No one who advocates equality of any kind, and no one who is a civic nationalist of any variety, and no one who falsely asserts that which is not a sin is a sin, should ever be considered a genuine or reliable advocate of the Good, the Beautiful, and the True, no matter what their other positive attributes might be.
Because liars cannot, and will not, defend the truth. They will always produce one reason or another for refusing to do so. And if you are foolish enough to trust or follow a liar, you will come to regret it, as all of you – and readers here should recall, the vast majority of you – who used to lionize Jordan Peterson and consider him to be a great intellectual champion should know.
Again, I agree whole-heartedly. Although, I realise Vox here was referring specifically to Civic Nationalism and so on, the fact remains that:
no one who falsely asserts that which is not a sin is a sin, should ever be considered a genuine or reliable advocate of the Good, the Beautiful, and the True, no matter what their other positive attributes might be.
And this remains the absolute point for me which I cannot reconcile with Vox’s theology.
Vox, is, after all, a Protestant. A very unique one he might be, but he (as far as I know) does not subscribe to the rules of the Catholic Church as per the Code of Canon Law of 1917 which in essence simple explains/extrapolates from both the Bible and Catholic (Christian) Tradition and has compiled and summarised all the various extrapolations, dictates, and dogma of the Catholic Church into one volume that covers all of those documents from the period of human history up to the year 1917. As a Catholic, you then may also wish to add the Papal ex-cathedra commentaries made from 1917 to 1958. After that we have not had any valid Popes since, so everything else can be safely ignored.
I am fairly sure Vox has not read the Code of Canon Law. And if he did I think the things he might object to are probably not as many as he might envision, but I am (foggily) aware he has some issue with some aspects of Mariology, though I am not sure what they are. I feel fairly confident he is well-read enough to be aware that Catholics do not actually “worship” Mary, but simply ask for her intercession, as we do to various Saints. In essence, the difference between catholics and Protestants is that we don’t stop communicating with our dead friends and people. We pray for them and we also ask them to pray for us.
One of the only times we briefly discussed my Catholicism (sedevacantism) and I pointed out some of the main issues he immediately said words to the effect of “Oh, well, those are Catholics I can get behind”. So again, I doubt the differences between us are huge in terms of theology.
He also agrees with me that in general humans need rules, otherwise they will pretty much eat each other alive in the street, which, to a certain extent we are starting to really see on a global level when Christianity fades.
We are also both smart enough understand that, while perhaps a certain optional rule for people may not really be designed for me or him specifically, we can’t really have rules for thee but not for me. And if there are exceptions, they should be based on sound reasoning, logic, and justice, not personal preference. So, in short, I ask myself:
“Why is Vox not actually a sedevacantist?”
I am presently only aware of one possible hitch which is his specific interpretation of the Trinty. Which I will not attempt to speak for him on as I would probably get it wrong. For myself, I do not pretend to know the intricacies of the Trinity, and I am perfectly happy to act in this regard very much as an illiterate peasant from the year 800. The Church says the Trinity works thusly, and I accept it as a given. I see no possible profit in trying to atomise that concept, nor do I have any interest in it.
While I may atomise the concept of not duelling and understand it very well, and instinctively want to say: “But Bishop, I don’t want to run that guy through with a rapier because I am proud, but because he defrauds little old ladies and steals candy from children, and blasphemes! C’MAWN…Just this one (ok, half-dozen) time?!” But intellectually I understand I must just bow my head and NOT challenge the man to a duel to the death. And if I do confront him, it would be a sin to smack the living crap out of him until he makes amends. I know that. Which makes it a bad sin. But… y’know… I’m only human. Maybe next time I’ll give him a warning first. You know, if I really see the error of my ways. Otherwise all I can do is really try to work on it over time. But in the meantime: no duels have been had. #winning.
So, it might be an intellectual disparity, perhaps the things that interest Vox to dissect are so different from the ones that interest me that it causes him a problem with Catholicism. And this, THIS is the real interest to me.
What are those details? Is he seeing something I am not, or is it vice-versa? Or is there a third possibility that we are both missing?
Such conversations, or investigations, if you prefer, are what fascinates me, and the ones that I think help us to see more truth when done with an intellectually honest person that is also curious enough and interested enough to examine such details.
I seem to recall for example that Vox also labelled Once Saved Always Saved as a retarded concept (he may have been more polite about it) and I would expect he similarly considers Sola Scriptura as absurd, but I never asked him the question. I also seem to recall that his generic approach to the Bible was not that this or that version was “better” but to just read one and go with it as best you can, which is “close enough” for really about 99.99% of people.
I suspect that his avoidance of hardcore Catholicism is linked to what he believes are “lies” or untruths that the Catholic Church has as various dogmas. What these are, however I am unaware, and it is my experience that most such ideas are usually rooted in some Protestant fake news about Catholicism. Several aspects of which, honest historians like Rodney Stark have pointed out even though they are not Catholics.
At any rate, I would certainly be interested in looking at what the differences between his and my theological philosophies are.
I suspect he doesn’t have the time, but the invitation is open.
UPDATE: A reader pointed out I have not explained the absolute point that anyone who advocates that a sin is not a sin should not be trusted. As often happens with me, I thought the point was obvious, but I failed to realise it is not as obvious to many as I think. So, to clarify, The very concept of Protestantism that each man can interpret the Bible as he wishes, is a pernicious sin of pride. Even the sola scriptura retards must know that man is perfectly honest, clean and good as well as smart and reasonable. It very clearly states this in Hebrews and elsewhere if memory serves.
Secondly, it is just as obvious that a good and loving God would not leave a DYI kit for interpreting His Will and what the rules He wishes us to follow are. Because given the fact we are all a bunch of retards to one degree or other, we are guaranteed to screw it up. And the idea a flawless and loving God would leave us a flawed theology is equally retarded.
Therefore, a FLAWLESS theology MUST exist. And there must be a way to know which it is. As it happens, there is. Jesus Appointed Peter as the Head of His Church, instructed the Apostles to teach His teachings and Paul tells us also that we are to reject things that are not as per their teachings as given to them by Jesus (that is, Apostolic succession, is a thing).
All of which would still screw up if it were not for the fact that Jesus also told us He would be with us to the end of time. Now, if Jesus is with us always to the end, and He commanded the Apostles to teach what He taught them, then their teachings cannot be in error. Not because even the Apostles are flawless, but because Jesus is.
That is the whole point of Papal infallibility. It’s not due to some superhuman characteristic of Popes. There have been plenty of greedy, power-hungry, deviants as Popes, but they did not teach erroneous dogma when speaking ex-cathedra because of the supernatural protection due to Jesus’ promise. Who can speak erroneous or wrong doctrine? People who are not protected by Jesus’ promise and who is that? People who are not the foundation on which the rock is based, which has two parts. The non visible supreme one, Jesus, and his vicar on Earth, which is the man holding the position that Peter held as leader of the Apostles.
18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
Priests can lie or be wrong. Bishops can lie or be wrong. Popes can lie or be wrong. But valid, legitimate Popes talking officially for the entire Church on matters of faith and morals, that is the foundational principles of Christianity, cannot be wrong. Again, not because they are infallible in and of themselves, but because Jesus specifically said he was specifically with them to the End of the World. And Jesus cannot be wrong, nor is he a liar. And what He taught the apostles is true and He also specifically stated he would build the Church on Peter,, renaming him from Simon to Peter, which in Latin, Aramaic and most Latin languages literally means Rock.
Regardless of whatever brain-twisting Protestants come up with to try and say Jesus didn’t mean or say what he meant and said, even a child can understand that if someone says, to a guy called Simon:
“Hey buddy, come here, gonna run a little test by you…”
And he does, and Simon passes, and the guy says:
“You know what buddy, I’m gonna call you Rock from now on, and on this rock, I will build my church.” It’s a fairly clear point that Good old Simon/Rock, is now the head of the Church. Seriously, a child gets it. You need to be indoctrinated into lies from birth not to see this as it is.
So, the first lie is to tell people that to not be Catholic is not a sin. It is. You’re ignoring God’s Will. And the entire retinue of sins that follows from anyone following that advice is literally endless. And frankly, it ALL stems from pride to begin with. Some German fattie with a penchant for sexing up nuns and raping maids and swearing and calling reason literally “the whore of the devil”, comes along some 1500 years after Christ and the Catholic Church which has been the ONLY valid Christianity to that point and he FIXES everything? It’s moronic. Jesus didn’t say:
“Oh, by the way, all the people for the next 1500 years or so that call themselves Christians, and all the Popes which everyone agrees for that long are the main dudes, yeah, well, forget about all of them, they are all wrong and Pagan worshippers that ask my mother and a bunch of dead guys of no importance whatsoever to put in a good word for them with me. Anyway, all those guys? Going straight to Hell. Only when that rotund German with the beer and all the sex comes along will AKCHUAL Christianity be fixed. And he will do it by changing the Bible before he says it’s the only thing you should refer to at all. But only the one he changed, not the one everyone used for 1200 or so years and that was put together by the same Catholics who got it all wrong. And oh that Bible that the German guy changed, which was also changed by the Pahrisees, you know, the guys who had me killed, for 700 years before him, that’s the good Bible, scrap that other one. And oh, oh, one more thing: The best Bible, it’s the one with 33,000 translation errors ordered to be put together by a flamingly homosexual English King. Jimmy boy, that’s his name. He also starts up the Freemasons, which are Satanists, but don’t let that bug ya, seriously, his version of the Bible is the best one.”
So… yeah. I hope it’s kinda obvious now.
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By G | 11 November 2023 | Posted in Catholicism, Reclaiming the Catholic Church, Sedeprivationism, Sedevacantism, Social Commentary