In order to make this very simple and to show that there is literally not a single valid refutation to the position of Sede Privationism* I have constructed the below logical argument.
Please note there are several resources at the end of the post to find legitimate Mass Centers and clerics
Axiom: The Catholic Church is the true and Valid Church instituted by Jesus Christ on Earth. This is the assumed starting axiomatic point. That is, regardless of if you personally agree or not with it, for the purposes of this argument it is assumed to be true and correct as our starting point.
Question 1. Is the Pio-Benedictine code of canon law of 1917 the legitimate code of Catholic Canon Law that was legitimately and correctly put together by the Church?
If Yes, go on to question 2.
If No, demonstrate this with specificity and exhaustive proof.
Question 2. The Vatican II documents are 16 documents produced between 1963 and 1965. Do you agree that in every case these documents contain heresy that is not in keeping with the doctrine of the Catholic Church from the start to at least 1958?
Reference:The Heresies of Vatican II
If Yes, go on to question 3.
If No, you’re probably a vile heretic yourself, but go, on, try and refute even just the linked reference document IN DETAIL and specifics. Honestly, you can’t because facts are facts and objective truth exists.
Question 3. How long does it take for someone to be a persistent heretic? A day of teaching heresy as if it were correct dogma even after multiple persons point out it is heresy and a simple check would show this to be true? A month? A year? According to canon 2315, it is 6 months. However, since 1965, is far more than that, and MORE than enough time to declare anyone that purports to be a cleric of the Catholic Church and yet continues to publicly teach heresy, a persistent heretic. And a persistent heretic who teaches such heresy in public and acts, talks, and professes such heresy to be doctrine, has, in fact, defected from the Catholic Faith. This is simple and obvious and reiterated also in canon 2314 part 3, which specifically mentions such clerics whilst referring to canon 188 part 4 (see question 4 below). Just as if a person said “I no longer believe in Jesus Christ or the Church or the Catholic Faith.” In brief then, is 6 moths, knowingly teaching heresy, long enough to declare anyone a persistent heretic?
If Yes, go on to question 4.
If No, explain your position using logic and reason and Canon Law. But keep in mind we are now (as of 2019) 54 years after 1965, and that, surely, is long enough for sure. Again, there really is no argument against this point, unless you ignore reality, and logic, and reason. And Canon Law instituted by the Magisterium of the Church.
Question 4. Given all of the above, it is absolutely clear that any supposed cleric of the Catholic Church who did not stop teaching doctrine as per Vatican II by at the latest 1966, was a persistent heretic. We cannot reasonably expect that a cleric of the church was unaware of the heresies of Vatican II given the clamour, uproar and massive abandoning of the Church by the faithful once these pernicious heresies were introduced along with the fake Novus Ordo Mass. Nor can we reasonably expect any modern cleric to be unaware of the heresies of Vatican II since their entire reason for existing is to protect, promote and further the Church and its doctrine all over the world. It would be like saying a physicist should not necessarily be aware of the equation force = mass x accelration. It is a basic, simple and obvious thing, grasped by any literate layman who cares to look into it for themselves, so there can be no excuse of ignorance for the clergy. As such, such “clergy” has, in fact, vacated their office, as per canon 188 part 4 of the code of canon law, which reads:
Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation recognised by the law itself if a cleric:
Part 4: Publicly defects from the Catholic Faith
This means that ANY cleric (emphasis above added) without the need for ANY DECLARATION, by ANYONE, automatically vacates their office, when they defect publicly from the Catholic Faith (which being a persistent heretic, and a public teacher of the faith, they do) because their crime needs no declaration by anyone, the law itself, the fact of it, the divine, simple reality of it itself, condemns them. The fact they may hold on to the MATERIAL office is irrelevant to the fact that they have vacated the SPIRITUAL office. Hence the point of Sede Privationists, the seat is not empty, it is filled. With an impostor that has no spiritual sanction, office or authority. And not just the seat of the Pope, but the one of ANY cleric that does not specifically reject all of Vatican II and all connected to it as heretical.
So the question is: Given that the Law of 1917 was in full effect in 1958, in 1963, in 1965, in 1975 and so on, there is literally nothing that prevents it from being correctly applied to all these heretical false clerics, as such, there is literally no argument that holds water in this regard, why then, should you ever consider any cleric of the fake New Order as legitimate?
The answer is you should not, for they are NOT valid clerics, which also explains why the Novus Orco Church is so filled with pederasts, predatory homosexuals, fraudsters and so on, and why Bergolgio has been intimately tied to people accused of child trafficking, demonstrated child molesters, pedophiles and rapists of every sort.
Should you have a different answer, feel free to explain it using logic and reason in a comment below. Before you do, you may wish to check on this detailed explanation of Canon 188 though.
*Sede Privationism is the position that the Holy See is not in fact empty (Sede Vacantis – from the Latin meaning Empty Chair) but rather filled, by an impostor, non-valid, fake cleric of the Church, thus Preventing (Privating) the seat from being legitimately filled.
In case you think the thesis above, which I concluded privately by myself merely from purchasing and reading the code of canon law of 1917, is merely the rantings of someone that hasn’t properly understood things, you need to know that it was, of course, not noticed only by myself sometime in 2016, but by many members of the Church closer to the time when the Vatican II deception and subsequent derailing of the Church took place in the mid 1960s. In fact, it was formally stated in a detailed theological argument by the late Dominican theologian, Fr. M.-L. Guérard des Lauriers, a member of the Pontifical Academy of St. Thomas, at one time a professor in the Pontifical University of the Lateran and in the Saulchoir (France). His thesis called Cassiciacum (from the name of the theological magazine that first made it known) is that Paul VI and his successors, are not formally legitimate. And all actual Catholic Clerics have rejected Vatican II ever since its introduction, the fact that these are few in number in no way diminishes the fact that the True, Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church, persists, and in fact, through the spreading of these truths is rapidly increasing its numbers and will, in due course, survive and overcome the Satanic abomination that currently presents itself as the Catholic Church, but which we know to be simply the Novus Orco church.
There are now, some natural truth that follow from the above logical progression:
1. The people who created Vatican II are necessarily at the very least suspect, and in all probability guilty of intentional heresy. And as such all of their diktats and teachings are to be ignored if not treated as intentionally heretical and damaging to the Church and the Faithful. This was already obvious in any case, since the last legitimate Pope of the Catholic Church (Pious the XII) and a few before him too, all seemed to be very aware of:
- The depth and scale of the infiltration of Freemasonry into the Church (Luciferian worship in all its various forms –Illuminati, Rosicrucians, etc–) as well as,
- The bankrupt ideologies Freemasonry promotes (Marxism, feminism, homosexuality, pederastry, pedophilia etc.)
In a slow but determined effort over the previous two centuries or more, the Catholic Church had been infiltrated by these enemies and whenever they reached positions that permitted it, they would promote and introduce more of their own number into the Church. Which is how Vatican II happened in the first place. Given this, and given the fact that prudence is a Catholic Virtue, it becomes necessary to assume that anyone involved with the creation of the Vatican II documents is suspect at the very least and as such should not be assumed to be a legitimate cleric. Where such a person also continued and continues to act as if Vatican II and the documents it produced where not heretical, the charge of persistent heretic, in any case already applies, but our concern here is with the deceased who may or may not have been heretics that had in fact put together the Vatican II heresies. Such persons, must, at the very least, for prudence, be considered suspect. So, while All the “Popes” from 1965 on are clearly defectors from the faith since they all promoted Vatican II, we must also ignore the ones that initially instigated Vatican II and the ones who helped later to make it happen. In effect, this means every “Pope” since the 28th of October 1958 must be considered illegitimate and not a valid cleric of the Catholic Church. Certainly we know this is the case for every Pope since at the most charitable, 1965. But we have to ignore the ones who started the process of creating Vatican II as well and leave their judgement to God. Prudence demands it.
2. Any Cleric who does not currently and specifically reject Vatican II publicly and all its fruits and adherents as heretical, is clearly a persistent heretic and as such has vacated their spiritual office and has no standing whatever in the Catholic Church other than as an usurper and impostor. They are to be known as Novus Orco (New Orc) clerics. Servants of the Novus Orco Church. The same one that instituted the “Novus Ordo” (New Order) Mass. Guess what, the “New Order” is the same as the old order of Old Scratch – Servants of Satan.
3. The Novus Ordo Mass, or as we call it, the Novus Orco Mass, is clearly not a valid mass, since it is only performed by invalid clerics. In the modern era, some clerics may in fact be ignorant of the Vatican II heresies, but this is irrelevant because they would have been falsely ordained by false clerics, and so are not in fact legitimate clerics of the Church and none of the sacraments they pretend to offer (and in fact try to pervert) are legitimately offered. But if you want a complete and irrefutable proof that the Novus Orco Mass is completely invalid, see this video, it is a nuclear strike.
4. Since the same fake clerics and servants of Satan that created Vatican II and its heresies also produced the documents that came after Vatican II, the “new” code of canon law of 1983 is clearly not a valid code and is to be ignored in toto, as is any document these Satanists produce. This is obvious in any case, since the “code” of 1983 changes the intent and effect of the doctrine and laws clearly and studiously compiled with such care in the code of 1917. All that one needs to do to see an obvious example of this is to compare the 1917 canon of 188 with its “new” counterpart in the 1983 fake code, which is numbered as 194 in that “work”. Compare them side by side:
LEGITIMATE CODE OF 1917
Canon 188
Any office becomes vacant upon the fact and without any declaration by tacit resignation recognized by the law itself if a cleric:
[Items 1 to 3 omitted for clarity…]
4.° Publicly defects from the Catholic Faith;
[Items 5 to 8 omitted for clarity…]
Canon 194
§1. The following are removed from an ecclesiastical office by the law itself:
1/ a person who has lost the clerical state;
2/ a person who has publicly defected from the Catholic faith or from the communion of the Church;
3/ a cleric who has attempted marriage even if only civilly.§2. The removal mentioned in nn. 2 and 3 can be enforced only if it is established by the declaration of a competent authority.
The fake code of canon law of 1983 literally invalidates itself, since part 2 of code 194 directly invalidates the whole point defined as “by the law itself”. And note that the ONLY instance in which the law itself remains valid to remove ecclesiastical office is if a cleric loses clerical state. But how does that happen? It is not known by anyone, since it is not defined, and the whole purpose of this “code” was literally to invalidate the very reasonable law of 1917 which, quite naturally states that non-catholics can’t act as clerics for the Church.
The entire point of canon 188 is completley obviated by the new version of 194 in the pile of dung put togehter as the 1983 “code of canon law”. In similar fashion, missals, etc, and of course the entirety of the Novus Ordo Mass (Novus Orco is its more accurate name), all produced after Vatican II are tools of the enemy to confuse, demoralise, depress and destroy both the faithful as well as the Catholic Church.
Nor is canon 188 alone, in the code of 1917, to mention this point, several other codes either directly support it or are ancillary to it, some examples:
Code 823 § 1. It is not permitted to celebrate Mass in the temples of heretics or schismatics, even if at one time [they were] duly consecrated or blessed.
In other words, since the Vatican-II sect is schismatic and an impostor to the legitimacy of the Catholic Church, even if the Novus Orco Mass were valid (it is not), you would still not be permitted to take part in it in the structures used by these Satanists, even though they used to be consecrated Churches.
Canon 2314
§ 1. All apostates from the Christian faith and each and every heretic or schismatic:
1.° Incur by that fact excommunication;
2.° Unless they respect warnings, they are deprived of benefice, dignity, pension, office, or other duty that they have in the Church, they are declared infamous, and [if] clerics, with the warning being repeated, [they are] are deposed;
3.° If they give their names to non-Catholic sects or publicly adhere [to them], they are by that fact infamous, and with due regard for the prescription of Canon 188, n. 4, clerics, the previous warnings having been useless, are degraded.
[…]
Canon 2315
One suspected of heresy who, having been warned, does not remove the cause of suspicion is prohibited from legitimate acts; if he is a cleric, moreover, the warning having been repeated without effect, he is suspended from things divine; but if within six months from contracting the penalty, the one suspected of heresy does not completely amend himself, let him be considered as a heretic and liable to the penalties for heretics.
Canon 2372
They incur upon the fact a suspension from divine things, reserved to the Apostolic See, who presume to receive orders from one excommunicated or suspended or interdicted after a declaratory or condemnatory sentence, or from a notorious apostate, heretic, or schismatic; but whoever in good faith was ordained by such a one as these lacks the exercise of the orders thus received until he is dispensed.
5. Who are the legitimate Bishops and Valid Clerics and how do you find them? Here are some sites, the first, is particularly useful in finding a traditional Latin Mass, the only legitimate form of the Holy Mass, as used to be performed throughot the Earth, always the same regardless of city, nation or continent, always in Latin and equal all over the world before the Vatican II fake Clerics and infiltrators introduced the Novus Orco Mass.
You may also wish to get inspired about the real Catholic Church by reading the following books of historical fact that describe the action of actual, real, Catholics. Compare these men to the effeminate wet rags of the supposedly Catholic Church (in reality those deceived by the Novus Orcians who have not yet realised it, and yet try to be faithful) and you will understand why precious few men attend the Novus Orco services even if they are not aware they have been deceived, while the attendance at the real Catholic Masses is invariably driven by virile men with ever growing families and feminine wives.
God’S Battalions – Rodney Stark
Bearing False Witness – Rodney Stark
The Crusades – Of Iron Men and Saints – Harold Lamb
You may also wish to purchase my own book, which seems to have converted quite a few people to Christianity, everything ranging from Atheist, Protestant, Agnostic and even one Orthodox Jew have turned to real Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy as a result of this book.
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St Augustine describes a heresy as: one who holds another faith from that of the Catholic Church.
I cannot conceive of a Catholic Church that is heretical because by nature the Catholic Church cannot be in opposition to itself. The current Catholic Church is the same organisation as the Catholic Church of 2000 years ago. It has maintained continuity for its entire existence. If the Catholic Church now is the same organisation as the Catholic Church of the past, then the current Catholic Church cannot be in heresy because it cannot oppose itself.
That is my opposition to labeling the Vatican II era as heretical.
However, the Catholic Church can, and has been, in error. It can be totally and absolutely wrong. Vatican II was totally and absolutely wrong for the reason that it contradicts the Church’s doctrine, and so is illegitimate. “The Heresies of Vatican II” does not contain a list of heresies, but a list of errors and extremely questionable statements. The Catholic Church ought not to be in error and so it is the duty of all Catholics to bring fierce opposition to everything false from Vatican II. Support for Vatican II is an attack on the Church because it is supporting the Church being in error, which it ought not to be.
“The Heresies of Vatican II” contains quotations from Vatican II documents which are blatantly incorrect, such as the discussion of rights that are not civil rights. ‘Human rights’ do not exist and are a secular, un-Christian explanation for concepts and rules that exist in Christianity. Other blatantly false statements are that the primary goal of marriage is not to produce offspring.
St Paul rebuked St Peter for being in error, and as such we should rebuke all supporters of Vatican II who call themselves Catholic, most importantly Pope Francis. Pope Francis has the lineage of St Peter, but like many successors of St Peter, he can, and has been, totally and absolutely wrong. Worse Popes like Benedict IX did not end the Catholic Church and Pope Francis will not do so either.
You are completely misunderstanding St Augustine. He is right and the Church remains the same. But Bergoglio and Co. are NOT Catholics. Not valid clergy of the Church. So why do you pretend they are? They publicly defected from it through persistent heresy. Did you even read what I wrote?
That’s the whole point.
Why would you believe anything they say?
Would you believe me if I said I was your father?? One hopes not!
And you clearly have NOT followed or read the links. V2 docs contain absolute heresy. Not errors (though plenty of those too), heresy.
[removed repetitive useless bullshit already answered both in the OP and on your last stupid comment]
You obviously do nt love God as you have gone your own way and judged what code of canon law is real and what code is false but when Jesusgave Peter the Keys He also gave Peter the power of making and unmaking making laws. It is the power of discipline, the making of rules, codes of canon law included.
You reject that and so you and your Lang Gang are not Catholic in your thinking.
[Thanks for proving you are the one that rejects the Code of Canon Law, the legitimate ruling of the Magisterium of the Church, the legitimate Popes and hence Jesus.
Precisely because the Popes have the authority to create law, the Code of Canon Law of 1917 was (and is valid), you abysmal imbecile. Which means that canon 188 part 4 applies and if you follow what it says (which if you are a Catholic you must) it spells out that vile apostates like Roncalli, Montini, and all the rest are automatically stripped of their office and duties and the Papal Encyclical Cum Ex Apostoltus Officio concurs wholeheartedly, furthermore, no PRONOUNCEMENT is further required by ANYONE. So…I am following the rules as set down by the valid Popes. YOU are ignoring them, pretending you know better and pretending that the child molesting freaks are Catholics and valid clerics, when it is absolutely clear they cannot be. You are too stupid to understand simple sentences so you really should spend less time on the Internet and more time in remedial reading classes. Buh-Bye now.]
But don’t let that slow you down =in berating and insulting those who disagree with your protestant private judgment
[I won’t, you product of generational incest and microcephaly, because it is not Protestant, or private or mine. It is Catholic, public and ordained by God through the Magisterium of the Church]
Like abortion, the Bogus Disordo is not merely “performed”; rather, it’s committed, perpetrated, inflicted. “Performed” is the language of moral neutrality.
As you noted in your book, I suspect Ann will have a hard time coming to grips with this since she (reasonably in general, IMO) is very pointed and uncompromising. To come to the realisation that she, herself, perhaps subconsciously, is compromising in the face of the 1917 Canon Law may be a tough pill to swallow (I see I am describing one of the sins). Perhaps she or that commenter on SG2, since he brought up not considering all the facts, will show us what you (and now me) are overlooking.
I like and respect Ann a lot and apparently a lot of supposedly “sede” types have attacked her viciously online, so her distaste by association is understandable but her real reason is that she is a woman and has female virtues, one of which is she feels it would be abandoning our Lord to not be with him at crappy (fake) NO masses.
But firstly, our Lord does not need us to save him, and secondly the NO masses are fake so he is not there anyway.
But her sin is one to at comes from loyalty and a wish to nurture and witness. I trust God will forgive her this ultimately small error. I sure hope so anyway since I have far more errors and sins to my name in all probability.
You lost me at Q2. Words often contain subtlety and “V2 was heresy!” overstates the case. Even the first thing – Religious Liberty. You have the right to go to Hell, but also the right to be confused, or even merely ignorant. The interaction between will and intellect is not as simple as anyone would like and God has not given us personal urim and thummin to determine the Truth. We must look through the glass darkly and evaluate for ourselves. On all sides.
Do you also think PJP2 a heretic who said V2 was the gift of the holy spirit to the church? I divide the actual documents which I find nothing (given a charitable construction! as the Catechism says to) directly heretical. I will say that when I hear “the ‘spirit’ of Vatican 2” I assume what follows is heresy.
B16 created a problem by “resigning” as there is no way to determine (in the material, temporal world) if his resignation was accepted.
But there have been Borgia Popes and Avingon where there were three claimants and different SAINTs favored different ones.
There is separation of powers in the Church, and the Laity needs to do its part when the Clergy/Bishops become corrupt or the Pope.
Church Militant has been busy exposing this and deserves support. But only God really knows the state of Francis (Talking Mule or Pope or both – old movie buff).
But the very first thing is to starve them of funding. DO NOT give to your parish even if it is “good”. Oppose federal funding of anything on Separation of Church and State.
If you have neither the office or charism (or are you some kind of protestant pentecostal “catholic” who is getting discernment of spirits or words of wisdom, knowledge, or prophecy?) to be the judge of spiritual matters, and are NOT any official canon laywer (feel free to state your credentials), why do you think you have ANY authority (more than Luther or Calvin) to say what God/Jesus/Scripture/etc. REALLY says?
In “A Man for All Seasons”, the most important scene has “Arrest him! – TM: On what charge, he has not violated any law. D: God’s law. TM: Then God can arrest him”.
There is far more evil committed when we do not submit in docility to divine providence and wait patiently for God to fix things. Instead like the foolish virgins we go out and use our lamps to look for things to do while waiting.
There are plenty of flashing neon sign evils in the church, but instead of attacking them directly, V2, or the Pope, or something or someONE else is attacked. The problem with spoiled milk is NOT the carton but the milk itself.
Attacking actual evil – that often fights back – is hard. Instead, tilting at virtual windmills or abstractions, or whatever is far easier. But this is merely more SJW virtue signalling. You want to shine without doing any heavy lifting. What does scripture and the Catechism say about that?
No, it doesn’t overstate it at all. It calls it what it is. And you have done absolutely NOTHING to refute ANY of the heresies contained within every document of V2. So why are you even writing? I have been perfectly clear, put up or shut up. And yes the Polish guy was a complete apostate. Why are you confused about this?
I don’t care what you “divide” prove you’re point with specificity or shut up, because nothing else matters but the facts.
You are wrong on multiple points on B16. First he was never a Pope as already explained and second even if he had been his resignation is invalid because forced.
And your final rambling is incoherent and no, not only God knows the stated of the Vicar of pedophiles on Earth. Any normal thinking person who cares to look into it knows. Bergoglio serves the enemy and does so in an obvious fashion and is certainly not any kind of Catholic, and hence not a cleric of the Church.
As for your “you don’t have the autoratha!” Nonsense, you’re either retarded or a deceiver. I don’t need nor require any authority to follow the law of the Church, which clearly states a heretic automatically loses office. It all there in black and white. Can’t you read? Why do YOU refuse to follow the magisterium of the Church?
The only authority I claim is that which God commands us to. To use my brain and reason in a normal manner. Why aren’t you doing that?
As for your cowardly and vile stance concerning “docility” I bet you would also counsel rape victims to lie back and enjoy it. You disgust me. If people like you actually were Christians there would never have been a Christendom. Did the crusaders act like you? Pathetic. You are a weak idiot at best and an intentional liar at worst. May your cowardice give you the results you deserve in life.
Except that all the Heretics were saying they had the true interpretation of Scripture, Law, or Doctrine, and everyone else was wrong.
Why should I accept your interpretation and reasoning. Are you a canon lawyer?
The syllogism breaks at the minor premise:
Heretics are automatically excommunicated.
I think X is a heretic therefore I think X is excommunicated.
Opinion or objective truth? I know what you believe is true and a correct interpretation, I differ.
Vox many years ago posted a response to a “legal” brief where he suggested it was a bunch of things cut and pasted from google searches. Words in a legal situation (especially in Latin with much preceeding history and technical usage) often do NOT mean what they would based on a casual reading.
One thing Scott Adams (Dilbert) identified in “Loserthink” is when someone doesn’t have one strong argument, they create a list of weak or non-arguments.
You’ve outsourced your Vatican 2 is heresy argument – instead I want your best example. Cite something from an authorative document before Vatican II stating it is dogmatic and anyone that does not accept the PRECISE point is a heretic, then find something in the actual Vatican 2 documents that DIRECTLY contradicts the precise point. X is white v.s. X is black.
To preemptively give a failure case, “There is no salvation outside the church”. “Men outside the official church can be saved”. True, but what is the extent of the church, and God’s providence and mercy? Consider the “Baptism of Blood” that dates from the earliest times.
Had P6 reveresed the teaching on Contraception (or any of the later Popes) I would agree with you. Cardinal Newman noted doctrine develops – grows like a plant to expand into new niches without contradicting the old.
Beyond that I think you are arguing the Catholic Church is dead. At least brain dead. The papacy is based on “Upon this PETER I will build my church”. No foundation, and the edifice collapses. Or whatever it is, including your side, is on a respirator and any (spiritual) life is artificial.
If you are arguing the Catholic Church Christ established no longer exists as it disappeared before 1960, pleast state that clearly.
Did I say you should accept it? I don’t care what idiots do. Feel free to ignore me and everything I do and say. I am not one of those morons that believes no retard should be left behind. If you’re too stupid to follow very simple logic, then it’s not my problem.
And no, you are completely wrong. In fact it is clear you’re too dumb to even use words like “syllogism” since you clearly don’t understand what it means.
It’s not what *I* think you retard. It’s what the Magisterium of the Church says. And I’m following it. The fact that your abysmally ignorant of the most basic principles of what constitutes heresy is not MY problem. Your ignorance, lack of education, lack of ability to read or think are all YOUR problems.
Your OPINION is wholly irrelevant. And, if you weren’t too stupid to notice it, so is mine. It is not about any of MY opinions. It is about the rules of Catholic dogma. Again, your ignorance of them, lack of comprehension, lack of catechism, is not my issue. It’s yours.
You’re like a child that wants to insist that 2+2 is not 4 but rather that it means HE CAN EAT THE PURPLE CRAYONS! Go ahead and eat them away from me. You’re wrong, dumb and will remain so barring a rare miracle.
You projection concerning your stupidity, lack of research, inability to read or understand English, never mind Latin, etc is again….just projection on your part. I don’t suffer from any of those lacunae. Lacunae – look it up.
As for the heresies of Vatican 2, I don’t owe you anything. AGAIN the fact you’re too stupid and uneducated to understand the obvious is irrelevant to me or my concerns.
I’m not your dad. It’s not my job to educate you. It is clear you have read nothing, know nothing, don’t have even an elementary grasp of Catholicism and yet you are there bloviating like a wounded cow in a field of manure. Carry on. Expect what you want, you will find it all a rude shock I am sure.
Your “example” is laughable since I am on record multiple times stating baptism of desire and blood are valid, something the church has ALWAYS accepted. You idiot.
And no, I am not saying the Church is dead, for as long as a single Catholic remains it clearly is not and we have millions.
AGAIN, the fact you believe that other retard autist and LIAR Jay Dyer, is not my concern. The Church does not end if it doesn’t have a valid Pope. It never did and never will.
But AGAIN, you assume, you “think” you believe you know. Except your assumptions are wrong and stupid (genetics is as genetics is) your belief is rooted in the lies your parents told you that you’re a smart and special boy just like everyone else. No, you are not. You’re dumb. Very. And your ability to think is surpassed by circus chimps.
And no, I don’t CARE about your or your ideas. You have demonstrated a complete inability to understand simple phrases and as such, your only value here is as entertainment for target practice.
buh-bye!
My apologies upfront, another “have you heard of” post. The thrashings given to Siscoe/Salza by Father Paul Kramer? I have not read the Cannon etc. documents, but he has, and I tend to defer to him and what he has written.
Look, if you’re going to be that annoying guy…at least include a link man! Damned lazy millennials. I’ll have to tell you to get off my lawn next!
A heretic does not automatically lose his office.
[I never said they do. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem. I quoted Canon 188 part 4 in full and it DOES apply to persistent heretics. Learn to read in the future before you try to comment on anything]
The Catholic Church is visible and, as such, must have a Pope because that is the nature of The Catholic Church Jesus established.
[No. It is not and the Church has gone without any Pope at all many times before and for years at a time. Learn history, logic and common sense before commenting on things you don’t understand]
You are a protestant in that you and the Lang Gang think the Catholic Church can still be a Church when it has not had a Pope since 1958.
[Your idiotic statement is idiotic. The facts and reality is what it is. Your inability to deal with this intellectually, emotionally and spiritually is not my problem. The Church has always existed and always will until the end times, with or without a Pope, as it has done many times before. Your attempt at ignoring these facts is, again, due to your weakness as a human being, and not my problem.]
You believe in the invisible church of believers.
[I don’t believe in any such thing. Clearly though you believe that a Satanist can be the leader of the Catholic Church. Enjoy Hell.]
Y’all ust resurrecting ancient protestant heresies to try and prove others are heretics.
[Your projection is fascinating from a psychological perspective and probably a neurological one too, I am sure, but personally I don’t care at all about it. Or you, or your stupid thoughts.]
So where is The Catholic Church, in your cellar or some abandoned truck in some farmer’s field?
[Again, your stupidity, laziness, inability to use a simple search engine online, read normal English or click on links is REALLY not my problem. I assume you must also be morbidly obese as well as mentally deficient, based on this question alone.]
O, and of course Vox Day supports your position.
[Vox Day is not Catholic and doesn’t care one way or the other about my position. But it’s very clear that you care very much about what everyone else is doing and thinking. Gamma much?]
Fellow protestants tends to band together in opposition to the Church Jesus established.
[I’ll take your word for it, after all, you’d know, being a Satanic follower of the Vicar of Pedophiles on Earth, Bergoglio. As I said…enjoy Hell.]